Posts by the mole

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JWs--cult or am i just bitter?

by sinamongurl in

after reading many experiences and comments on the board, i have begun to have questions.

questions that i really didnt know i until i read them.

as a recently df'd person, i am still struggling with whether jws are really a cult or is it just that im bitter for being torn away from the only thing that i knew, where i had friends that i thought loved me.

the mole

hi..being that im a former m.s and grown up with the same issues and then leaving was hard just as you described.. my entire family has split up based on what they think the org means about any opinion the other half of the family thinks.. i really believe the org divides families and doesnt train people to have unconditional love...everything so far has been with exceptions to having me back in the family functions..my moms side who are non believers never cared and always invited me whether or not i ever showed...i have come to think they have more love and forgiveness for ignoring them than any jw who has been converted to believe the doctrine of deciet......if there are conditions to having you participate or join that is not love thats giving in to the greatest lie that man made religions have invented ( conform or be cast out)......the mole

18

WT Load Even Possible to Carry???

by Confucious in

hey guys, .

i was a reg pioneer along with my wife for 9 years.

during this time, we honestly tried to do everything by the book.

the mole

the load..yeah i just divorced and custody of my two kids and the load they put on me was to much...meeting all the time, service..and since i was an m.s just promoted it was always suggested to get in between 10 and 20 hrs a month...it finaly broke me when the elders counseled me for getting lazy when my kids were sick and i missed my time and meetings...finaly my daughter asked why so much..i cust back and now left all those burdens and im so much happier now and my kids and not tense and feel free more so now then ever before...

8

Lord of The Rings,- in Type and Antitype

by BluesBrother in

having just obtained a new dvd , this got me thinking as to how one may apply the "meaning" of a long and detailed story to almost anything .

if you wanted to, you could see the following "prophetic patterns", quite easily.

frodo and loyal samwise clearly represent the anointed remnant and their faithfull companions, the great crowd as they journey through this earthly existence of this old system(middle earth).

the mole

cool..i like this..how long did it take for you make this up? ........this satire reminds me of the old Revelation Book we had to study almost every other year in bookstudy..every tuesday night was the worst....

9

Murmurings in my congregation

by stichione in

i just had a startling conversation with a brother in my congregation at today's meeting.

he asked me if i had read the two study articles of the june 15th 2004 watchtower magazine on blood transfusions, particularly the banned and not-banned blood products.

he told me he found it absolutely idiotic the way the argumentation for banning some blood products and not others was presented.

the mole

the people murmur but no action is ever taken.. for myself i have heard many questions on why this or that is.. my friends alone ask alot questions and when i show them some facts and misquotes they are dumfounded but within the next sentence they make comments like the "truth" is this or that...so whether the murmers may create a exodus from the org is hard to imagine at this point unless the government exposes them or another brother like ray franz leaves then maybe it will shake up the society... most are so engrossed with the notion of brotherhood they still will neglect the family and friends to keep the org strong.....

20

Leave it in Gods hands

by ball. in

i just read in a post by sandy that a witness used this statement: "leave it in gods hands", and i just realised that witnesses say this all the time.

but what complete crap it is!

what if we all walked round saying that about everything, never take responsibility for anything.

the mole

maybe up to the universe or something...right.

8

year 2010?

by the mole in

ok all of you have you heard anything of the date 2010?

a couple of friends came over and drank some beers with me during a sac kings game and one of them whose brother just returned from bethel spoke to jim about the year 2010 as a possible time of the end..our conversation started because of some pbs commercial of the aztec calander ending in 2010, it sparked my friend jim to comment about it during the post game show... my other friends began talking about it also...i guess i have lack of faith i stuck with the notion it was a farse.

do all of you think it is true the org has captured another date to focus on to keep the members busy?

the mole

ok all of you have you heard anything of the date 2010? a couple of friends came over and drank some beers with me during a sac kings game and one of them whose brother just returned from bethel spoke to jim about the year 2010 as a possible time of the end..our conversation started because of some pbs commercial of the aztec calander ending in 2010, it sparked my friend jim to comment about it during the post game show... my other friends began talking about it also...i guess i have lack of faith i stuck with the notion it was a farse. do all of you think it is true the org has captured another date to focus on to keep the members busy?

aftermath, two days later

by the mole in

update.... this uncle in question is my uncle frank from the del paso hieghts congregation in sacto..he is the one whose daughter died from drinking and drugs that i wrote about a while back...the reason he called was to get my dad out for some golf but he ended up questioning me... he told my dad the other day that he and my uncle sam are not comfortable associating with me because of my questions about the org and my lack of attendance.....i told my dad the questions my uncle asked and it made him furious then i threw some questions to my dad to repeat to my uncles..especially for my uncle sam in the pollock pines hall.....i said, "when was the last time uncle sam has called me?

never...........when has he seen my new home?

never..........and last question, when has he ever picked up my kids to go fishing, camping or to the meetings?

the mole

update.... this uncle in question is my uncle frank from the del paso hieghts congregation in sacto..he is the one whose daughter died from drinking and drugs that i wrote about a while back...the reason he called was to get my dad out for some golf but he ended up questioning me... he told my dad the other day that he and my uncle sam are not comfortable associating with me because of my questions about the org and my lack of attendance.....i told my dad the questions my uncle asked and it made him furious then i threw some questions to my dad to repeat to my uncles..especially for my uncle sam in the pollock pines hall.....i said, "when was the last time uncle sam has called me? never...........when has he seen my new home? never..........and last question, when has he ever picked up my kids to go fishing, camping or to the meetings? never...my dad was in a total outrage by then..i figured why argue with them, i planted the questions and i know my dad threw it at both of them...now they have something to chew on...do you think? the mole

12

the aftermath

by the mole in

my uncle called for my dad and wanted to know why he stopped attending meetings, he then asked me what hall im attending.

first i told him my dad could only answer why he does what he does and then i told him i had difficulty with alot of teachings that are curious.

after talking for awhile i asked him why if the magazines are a tool for bible understanding then why is it that so many take it as bible truth?

the mole

my uncle called for my dad and wanted to know why he stopped attending meetings, he then asked me what hall im attending. first i told him my dad could only answer why he does what he does and then i told him i had difficulty with alot of teachings that are curious. after talking for awhile i asked him why if the magazines are a tool for bible understanding then why is it that so many take it as bible truth? he went on about the brothers holy spirit. i then asked him again if these are imperfect men how do they translate gods perfect word? after sidestepping the question and once again I asked if the org makes any mistakes? he said yes then i asked if they do how do they correct it and apologize for it? he told me he had to get off the fon and to have my dad call him....well, what do all of you think of my questions?..the mole

5

a didnt go

by the mole in

did i excercise my right to freedom or took another step of denying my family to see their kin?

my mom this morning and asked why i didnt go to my sister and see my uncle give his first hour talk?

i told her my son had karate class and we were too tired to drive for an hour to my sister..mom gave me her disappointment advice to me..i explained to the kids why i didnt feel right about going and my 16 yr old daughter said she understood.

the mole

what do all think? did i excercise my right to freedom or took another step of denying my family to see their kin? my mom this morning and asked why i didnt go to my sister and see my uncle give his first hour talk? i told her my son had karate class and we were too tired to drive for an hour to my sister..mom gave me her disappointment advice to me..i explained to the kids why i didnt feel right about going and my 16 yr old daughter said she understood. so another step has been taken...

4

should i go?

by the mole in

my sister called me and asked if my family would go to her house for lunch and attend a special talk given by another family member that morning.

she is making sort of a party of it and she asked me to attend.

i dont know what to do?

the mole

my sister called me and asked if my family would go to her house for lunch and attend a special talk given by another family member that morning. she is making sort of a party of it and she asked me to attend. i dont know what to do?